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Yeah, you'd think so, but now we have clowns sniffing around here trying to use gangs of full packs for utility storage.
It actually makes physical sense for complete batteries (and the modules that they are made of) to trickle down from new vehicles, to repair of used vehicles and conversion projects, to non-vehicle uses, and finally to recycling as their condition degrades. A problem for DIY conversion enthusiasts is when they go to a lower-grade use when still in vehicle-grade condition.

Of course the sizes and models of batteries and modules available will shift with time, and what people want will always be less available and more expensive than somewhat outdated and run-down stuff.

We'll have lots of salvage drive units and no batteries to run them 馃が
Right, because motors don't fail or wear out, and transaxles don't fail unless they're defective early Tesla units and take a million kilometres to wear out, but batteries start degrading the second they leave the factory. This will always be an issue.
 

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Its funny when i hear commentators saying blah blah what will we do with all these used batteries.. Ive never seen a single used EV battery not get sucked up at auction for a high price...
For now, because most modern (of the lithium-ion generation) EVs haven't reached their end-of-life yet. In the longer term, there will be an over-supply of batteries.
 

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For now, because most modern (of the lithium-ion generation) EVs haven't reached their end-of-life yet. In the longer term, there will be an over-supply of batteries.
them's the rub though
there will be a lot of batteries but how usable will they be in conversions?
for instance the model 3 batteries look awesome on paper, but they're incredibly long and floppy and can't be broken apart afaik
to say nothing of proprietary code controlling them or proprietary hardware for cell management.
and also to say nothing of power density....if you need all 1000lbs of batteries to get full voltage without horrible voltage sag, that's not great for conversions either.

I'm personally hoping for some hummer EV packs since they got that sweet wifi bms stuff, and probably awesome power density....but i imagine very few of those will actually sell and the batteries will be very expensive in salvage yards as a result, plus the wifi stuff could be heavily closed source and thus useless
 

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Yeah, you'd think so, but now we have clowns sniffing around here trying to use gangs of full packs for utility storage.

We'll have lots of salvage drive units and no batteries to run them 馃が
Clowns? Angry?
FYI "storage" is a big thing and driven by the greenies attack on diesel standby generators that only run an average of 6 hours a year. Gavin Newsome outlawed all recip engines under 27 hp. The battery based small construction site market is taking off. We cannot get new battery packs from China for our 10 MW to 20 MW sites so we are diving into the "second life" market.

Unintended consequences from your new green laws so grab batteries while you can.
 

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Storage does not need the characteristics of a vehicle battery. There's other battery tech that can be applied because weight, energy density, and high C discharge are not factors in stationary storage. Until that demand is created, it won't hit the tipping point of deployment. Newsome needs to tax stationary use of vehicle batteries to encourage more appropriate tech's use.

Yes, "clowns" in that regard. It's like commuting with a Mack truck.
 

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43018.11.
(a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later.
So you have 1 year 358 days at least when you or I could go out and buy a ICE Generator at any store carrying them in California.

Gavin Newsome outlawed all recip engines under 27 hp.
Hmm not in the law. Bill Text - AB-1346 Air pollution: small off-road engines. and not in the Executive order N-79-20 https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO-N-79-20-Climate.pdf maybe CARB regs outlawed them.
Newsome needs to tax stationary use of vehicle batteries to encourage more appropriate tech's use.
Shh not too loud. :)

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This is your standard extreme right wing shitting their pants over nothing

Read the law, instead of being fed Facebook pablum by the Newsom haters:

"consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust...emissions"

So, you get an evap valve on your lawnmower or generator gas cap and a catalytic converter, like the motorcycles needed. Nobody is prohibiting ICE here.

meh
 

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...and several people here, recently posting, are building business cases, and spending capital, for stacks of batteries on construction sites because of the Facebook posts, not doing their own due diligence on the actual law?

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