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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Straddling a 280-kilogram motorcycle, Scotty
Pollacheck tucks in his knees and lowers his head as he waits for the green
light. When he revs the engine there's no roar. The bike moves so fast that
within seconds all that's visible is a faint red taillight melting in the
distance.

Pollacheck crosses the quarter-mile marker doing 156 m.p.h. (251 km/h); he's
travelled 402 metres in 8.22 seconds, faster than any of the gas-powered
cars, trucks or motorcycles that have raced in the drag sprints on this
weekend at Portland International Raceway.

It's particularly impressive given Pollacheck is riding a vehicle that uses
no gasoline and is powered entirely by lithium-ion batteries.

Electric vehicles are making their presence felt at amateur drag races
across the United States, challenging gas-powered cars and motorcycles. The
"amp heads," computer geeks and tree-hugging environmentalists driving the
electron-powered vehicles are starting to kick some major rear end.

Pollacheck and his bike - dubbed the KillaCycle - are part of a growing
movement that's exploiting breakthroughs in battery technology and could
soon challenge the world's fastest-accelerating vehicles in the $1-billion
drag-racing industry.

"In professional drag racing I expect to see the electrics eventually pass
up the fuel dragsters," said Dick Brown, president of AeroBatteries, which
sponsors White Zombie, the world's quickest-accelerating street-legal
electric car - a 1972 white Datsun 1200.

"Electric gives you instant torque whereas gasoline you have to build up,"
Brown said. "As we learn to manage it, you're going to see some really
amazing performances."

Brown believes electric vehicles will challenge the top drag-racing records
within five years.

The KillaCycle runs on 990 lithium-ion battery cells that feed two direct
current motors, generating 350 horsepower. The bike accelerates from zero to
60 m.p.h. (97 km/h) in just under a second - faster than many professional
gas-powered drag motorcycles and within striking distance of the quickest
bikes that run on nitromethane. With that hyper-potent racing fuel, riders
can do 60 m.p.h. in 0.7 seconds.

Bill Dube, KillaCycle's owner and designer, likens the sleek, hulking bike
to an oversized household appliance.

"This is like a giant cordless drill with wheels," said Dube, who designs
pollution measurement instruments for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration.

Except for the batteries he receives from sponsor A123 Systems, Dube pays
the costs of his racing team - about US$13,000 a year - out of his own
pocket.

"We have a chance of actually taking away some nitromethane records, perhaps
the overall record," said Dube.

In drag racing, two vehicles accelerate from a standstill and race over a
straight quarter-mile track. The National Hot Rod Association oversees the
racing of amateur street-legal cars on hundreds of tracks around the country
as well as the professional drag circuit.

In the most popular professional division, Top Fuel Racing, dragsters with
large rear wheels and narrow bodies reach speeds exceeding 330 m.p.h. (530
km/h) in 4.6 seconds. Drivers are practically flattened against their seats
during their short ride, meeting more g-forces than astronauts during a
space shuttle launch.

The National Electric Drag Racing Association holds just four races a year.
But electric drag racers are increasingly showing up at drag strips across
the country to show what they can do.

Their vehicles are posting faster and faster times at amateur meets, but
they still have a ways to go before matching professional world record
times. The fastest quarter-mile time by an electric vehicle is the
KillaCycle's 8.16 seconds - that's 2.36 seconds off the nitromethane world
record for drag bikes set by Larry "Spiderman" McBride last year.

And larger electric vehicles have even more catching up to do. White
Zombie's best time in a quarter-mile is 11.46 seconds - that's quicker than
a 2007 505-horsepower Corvette ZO6, one of the quickest production vehicles
available to the general public - but it's still 6.4 seconds away from the
Top Fuel record.

Not everyone in the gas-powered crowd is convinced electric vehicles are the
next big thing.

"I certainly don't see them challenging for professional records in the near
future," said Graham Light, senior vice president of racing operations at
the NHRA. "We don't have a blind eye to new technology, new innovations and
new methods of doing things" but "at this point I don't see a strong
movement toward electric cars."

But electric vehicle racers say people like Light are out of the loop. They
say rapid advances in battery technology will give EVs a shot at drag-racing
records.

"This is a disruptive technology and there is a lot of room for improvement
in this area," said Ric Fulop, founder and vice president of business
development for A123, the maker of KillaCycle's batteries.

In December, the KillaCycle will receive a second-generation battery pack
that will have twice as much juice as its current 374-volt system, giving it
close to 1,000 horsepower. Fulop said he believes the KillaCycle can break
the drag racing motorcycle record within the next year.

Electric drag racers are test-driving the technology that will eventually
spill over into mass production cars, analysts say.

Today's hybrid cars, like Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius, use nickel metal
hydride batteries, not more expensive lithium-ion batteries.

But cost of lithium-ion is expected to drop. In addition, the latest
generation of batteries offers a higher rate of conductivity and takes less
time to charge - the KillaCycle's battery pack can be juiced up in five
minutes. New materials also mean the battery is less prone to overheating
and explosions - a danger of earlier generations.

Experts say lithium-ion batteries that will power a car tens of thousands of
kilometres over their lifetime and deliver more horsepower are on the
horizon.
10:35ET 27-07-07
 

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Hello to All,

Grrrrrr!!! This truncated stuff has me frustrated! I was not able to
read Dennis Berube's post today, nor this one from Robert. David Roden
says I'm off about the ratio of truncated emails coming in from the
EVDL, but whatever it is, it is something that started a few months ago,
and seems to be getting worse.

I use Thunderbird as my email system, but I have no idea of how to set
it so I can once again, enjoy the EVDL. If anyone else using Thunderbird
can help me make a change, I'm listening.

Right now, I'm getting to the point of signing off the EVDL if this
can't get corrected. 'Somebody' somewhere changed something about the
EVDL in the past few months, and it's a change for the worse.

See Ya....John Wayland

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It sure -is- frustrating John. I was able to go to the EVDL Digest that just
came in.

There also appears to be no credit given for the source of the article.

A mystery.

So... here it is in plain text-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ROBERT GOUDREAU wrote:
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Straddling a 280-kilogram motorcycle, Scotty
Pollacheck tucks in his knees and lowers his head as he waits for the
green
light. When he revs the engine there's no roar. The bike moves so fast
that
within seconds all that's visible is a faint red taillight melting in
the
distance.

Pollacheck crosses the quarter-mile marker doing 156 m.p.h. (251 km/h);
he's
travelled 402 metres in 8.22 seconds, faster than any of the gas-powered
cars, trucks or motorcycles that have raced in the drag sprints on this
weekend at Portland International Raceway.

It's particularly impressive given Pollacheck is riding a vehicle that
uses
no gasoline and is powered entirely by lithium-ion batteries.

Electric vehicles are making their presence felt at amateur drag races
across the United States, challenging gas-powered cars and motorcycles.
The
"amp heads," computer geeks and tree-hugging environmentalists driving
the
electron-powered vehicles are starting to kick some major rear end.

Pollacheck and his bike - dubbed the KillaCycle - are part of a growing
movement that's exploiting breakthroughs in battery technology and could
soon challenge the world's fastest-accelerating vehicles in the
$1-billion
drag-racing industry.

"In professional drag racing I expect to see the electrics eventually
pass
up the fuel dragsters," said Dick Brown, president of AeroBatteries,
which
sponsors White Zombie, the world's quickest-accelerating street-legal
electric car - a 1972 white Datsun 1200.

"Electric gives you instant torque whereas gasoline you have to build
up,"
Brown said. "As we learn to manage it, you're going to see some really
amazing performances."

Brown believes electric vehicles will challenge the top drag-racing
records
within five years.

The KillaCycle runs on 990 lithium-ion battery cells that feed two
direct
current motors, generating 350 horsepower. The bike accelerates from
zero to
60 m.p.h. (97 km/h) in just under a second - faster than many
professional
gas-powered drag motorcycles and within striking distance of the
quickest
bikes that run on nitromethane. With that hyper-potent racing fuel,
riders
can do 60 m.p.h. in 0.7 seconds.

Bill Dube, KillaCycle's owner and designer, likens the sleek, hulking
bike
to an oversized household appliance.

"This is like a giant cordless drill with wheels," said Dube, who
designs
pollution measurement instruments for the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric
Administration.

Except for the batteries he receives from sponsor A123 Systems, Dube
pays
the costs of his racing team - about US$13,000 a year - out of his own
pocket.

"We have a chance of actually taking away some nitromethane records,
perhaps
the overall record," said Dube.

In drag racing, two vehicles accelerate from a standstill and race over
a
straight quarter-mile track. The National Hot Rod Association oversees
the
racing of amateur street-legal cars on hundreds of tracks around the
country
as well as the professional drag circuit.

In the most popular professional division, Top Fuel Racing, dragsters
with
large rear wheels and narrow bodies reach speeds exceeding 330 m.p.h.
(530
km/h) in 4.6 seconds. Drivers are practically flattened against their
seats
during their short ride, meeting more g-forces than astronauts during a
space shuttle launch.

The National Electric Drag Racing Association holds just four races a
year.
But electric drag racers are increasingly showing up at drag strips
across
the country to show what they can do.

Their vehicles are posting faster and faster times at amateur meets, but
they still have a ways to go before matching professional world record
times. The fastest quarter-mile time by an electric vehicle is the
KillaCycle's 8.16 seconds - that's 2.36 seconds off the nitromethane
world
record for drag bikes set by Larry "Spiderman" McBride last year.

And larger electric vehicles have even more catching up to do. White
Zombie's best time in a quarter-mile is 11.46 seconds - that's quicker
than
a 2007 505-horsepower Corvette ZO6, one of the quickest production
vehicles
available to the general public - but it's still 6.4 seconds away from
the
Top Fuel record.

Not everyone in the gas-powered crowd is convinced electric vehicles are
the
next big thing.

"I certainly don't see them challenging for professional records in the
near
future," said Graham Light, senior vice president of racing operations
at
the NHRA. "We don't have a blind eye to new technology, new innovations
and
new methods of doing things" but "at this point I don't see a strong
movement toward electric cars."

But electric vehicle racers say people like Light are out of the loop.
They
say rapid advances in battery technology will give EVs a shot at
drag-racing
records.

"This is a disruptive technology and there is a lot of room for
improvement
in this area," said Ric Fulop, founder and vice president of business
development for A123, the maker of KillaCycle's batteries.

In December, the KillaCycle will receive a second-generation battery
pack
that will have twice as much juice as its current 374-volt system,
giving it
close to 1,000 horsepower. Fulop said he believes the KillaCycle can
break
the drag racing motorcycle record within the next year.

Electric drag racers are test-driving the technology that will
eventually
spill over into mass production cars, analysts say.

Today's hybrid cars, like Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius, use nickel metal
hydride batteries, not more expensive lithium-ion batteries.

But cost of lithium-ion is expected to drop. In addition, the latest
generation of batteries offers a higher rate of conductivity and takes
less
time to charge - the KillaCycle's battery pack can be juiced up in five
minutes. New materials also mean the battery is less prone to
overheating
and explosions - a danger of earlier generations.

Experts say lithium-ion batteries that will power a car tens of
thousands of
kilometres over their lifetime and deliver more horsepower are on the
horizon.
10:35ET 27-07-07



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Hey all

I googled the title and found this, not sure if this
is where it originated from or not, here's the link.

http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99287&Itemid=265

words getting out 8^)

Cya
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John Wayland wrote:

> Grrrrrr!!! This truncated stuff has me frustrated! I was not able
> to read Dennis Berube's post today, nor this one from Robert. David
> Roden says I'm off about the ratio of truncated emails coming in
> from the EVDL, but whatever it is, it is something that started a
> few months ago, and seems to be getting worse.
>
> I use Thunderbird as my email system, but I have no idea of how to
> set it so I can once again, enjoy the EVDL. If anyone else using
> Thunderbird can help me make a change, I'm listening.

Try this for an offending message:

Click "View" then "Message Body As" then "Plain Text".

Alternatively, you can just see the whole message by clicking "View -
> Message Source".

The first option may not work due to the way the list's html removal
is working (or not working!) right now. Both of these ideas where
found by searching for Thunderbird help online and may not appear
exactly the same in all version of Thunderbird. At any rate, the
answer to seeing a truncated message is almost certainly in the
"View" menu (in almost any e-mail software.)

The first method has been working for me with Apple Mail (in my case
"Message Body As" is called "Message ->") and is also available as
the keyboard shortcut <command option p>.

HTH,
Paul Gooch
 

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And I was discounted when I brought it up. LOL

I use thunderbird and the truncated messages are almost as bad as when
people reply a whole digest or have a 8 level deep reply conersation
with one line of comment on a long post.

I use digests and just press control-u to "view source" I have also
edited the digest getting rid of the offending line that the list proc
is suppose to strip out and made it easier to view, but I am lazy.
Perhaps I need to write a script to "fix" digests
 

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Hello to All,

Well, two articles out in the same day...one 'OK' one (Portland Tribune)
and this one (AP), a stinker in my opinion. The entire tone of Aaron
Clark's article is quite negative and seems to focus on electrics not
measuring up:

>...they still have a ways to go before matching professional world
record times. The fastest >quarter-mile time by an electric vehicle is
the KillaCycle's 8.16 seconds - that's 2.36 seconds off the
>nitromethane world record for drag bikes

Geesh! The A123 lithium batteries are still in their infancy, there's no
big name sponsor 'money', the bike is a backyard-built affair, it's
still being tweaked and developed, and yet, within a year of its build
it's knocking on nitromethane's door? - and this still isn't good enough
to impress?

Here's one that really got to me:

>.....electric vehicles have even more catching up to do. White
Zombie's best time in a quarter-mile is >11.46 seconds - still 6.4
seconds away from the Top Fuel record.

Who in their right mind, compares a street legal import sedan that is
driven to and from the track (not trailered), to and from the grocery
store, to and from car shows ... and runs low 11s, to a full blown top
fuel funny car? I don't know about everybody else, but it's been a while
since I saw my neighbor drive his top fuel funny car dragster to Safeway
:) I could see this statement having merit if White Zombie's mission
was to beat a top fuel pure racing machine (a thinking person would use
a similar funny car chassis and not a 35 year old economy sedan), but
come on...it's a small economy car! Most people think a fully street
legal electric car turning 11s is notable. Oh well :-(

On the other hand, maybe I should be happy that my little 'ol electric
Datsun is actually being mentioned in the same sentence as a top fuel
funny car dragster and that he 'did say' that a street legal EV can beat
a Z06 Vette :)

More negativity from Aaron:

>Not everyone in the gas-powered crowd is convinced electric vehicles
are the next big thing.

And here's more negativity he found to include in his story :

>“I certainly don't see them challenging for professional records in
the near future,” said Graham >Light, at the NHRA. “at this point I
don't see a strong movement toward electric cars.”

Mark this down as a quote....Mr. Grahm will someday eat his words.

Yeah, after all the time I spent talking with Aaron both on the phone
and in person, I am VERY disappointed in his story. What's really bad,
is that this is an AP story, so it's been distributed around the world!

This one stings. Oh well, I guess we need to stay thick-skinned and take
the good with the bad!
I am now looking ahead to John Fialka's Wall Street Journal story, one I
am absolutely certain will be upbeat.

See Ya.....John Wayland
 

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John, I think the real problem here is a lack of education. You need to have
compassion for people who are un educated and ignorant. You need to first
think about this and realize that these people just really need a hug. You
have to realize that Graham Light of the NHRA most likely received his
education in the US. We are famous for having the most generator on the
wheel type people in the world. Face it, our educational system sucks when
it comes to physics and obviously Graham Light received his education here.
He obviously has never heard of the concept of energy efficiency. He
obviously does not know the energy consumption of a Funny Car. "One 4.73
second quarter mile run consumes 15 gallons of fuel at about $15/gallon (or
more). That is a fuel efficiency of 0.016 miles per gallon. If these were on
the street, the EPA would be furious."
http://www.jdmuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22185 He also does not
know that the most fuel efficient gas motors ever built were near 30%. He
does not have a clue what 80% and 90% efficiencies will do to his sport. He
should be afraid, very afraid!. Since he is obviously lost in some
delusional world of non physics and emotional realities I doubt he will ever
wake up to the future until they fire his sorry ignorant ass. Of course this
is one of my non bias assessments of reality :)

Roderick

Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com

PS: I will comment on the author's ignorance latter, Aaron obviously didn't
understand what it meant for the Kilocycle to do a sixty foot time better
that ANY vehicle had ever done on the PIR track. This reality also escaped
the delusional mind of Graham Light.


----- Original Message ----- ;
From: "John Wayland" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: With barely a sound, electric dragsters aim for gas-powered
records


Hello to All,

Well, two articles out in the same day...one 'OK' one (Portland Tribune)
and this one (AP), a stinker in my opinion. The entire tone of Aaron
Clark's article is quite negative and seems to focus on electrics not
measuring up:

>...they still have a ways to go before matching professional world
record times. The fastest >quarter-mile time by an electric vehicle is
the KillaCycle's 8.16 seconds - that's 2.36 seconds off the
>nitromethane world record for drag bikes

Geesh! The A123 lithium batteries are still in their infancy, there's no
big name sponsor 'money', the bike is a backyard-built affair, it's
still being tweaked and developed, and yet, within a year of its build
it's knocking on nitromethane's door? - and this still isn't good enough
to impress?

Here's one that really got to me:

>.....electric vehicles have even more catching up to do. White
Zombie's best time in a quarter-mile is >11.46 seconds - still 6.4
seconds away from the Top Fuel record.

Who in their right mind, compares a street legal import sedan that is
driven to and from the track (not trailered), to and from the grocery
store, to and from car shows ... and runs low 11s, to a full blown top
fuel funny car? I don't know about everybody else, but it's been a while
since I saw my neighbor drive his top fuel funny car dragster to Safeway
:) I could see this statement having merit if White Zombie's mission
was to beat a top fuel pure racing machine (a thinking person would use
a similar funny car chassis and not a 35 year old economy sedan), but
come on...it's a small economy car! Most people think a fully street
legal electric car turning 11s is notable. Oh well :-(

On the other hand, maybe I should be happy that my little 'ol electric
Datsun is actually being mentioned in the same sentence as a top fuel
funny car dragster and that he 'did say' that a street legal EV can beat
a Z06 Vette :)

More negativity from Aaron:

>Not everyone in the gas-powered crowd is convinced electric vehicles
are the next big thing.

And here's more negativity he found to include in his story :

>“I certainly don't see them challenging for professional records in
the near future,” said Graham >Light, at the NHRA. “at this point I
don't see a strong movement toward electric cars.”

Mark this down as a quote....Mr. Grahm will someday eat his words.

Yeah, after all the time I spent talking with Aaron both on the phone
and in person, I am VERY disappointed in his story. What's really bad,
is that this is an AP story, so it's been distributed around the world!

This one stings. Oh well, I guess we need to stay thick-skinned and take
the good with the bad!
I am now looking ahead to John Fialka's Wall Street Journal story, one I
am absolutely certain will be upbeat.

See Ya.....John Wayland






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john call up the writer and ask for a chance to rebut his neg remarks in =
an op ed piece . maybe his editor will give you a shot if you can ( I =
believe you can ) show the inconsistencies and the unfair comparisons .=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Wayland<mailto:[email protected]>=20
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>=20
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: With barely a sound, electric dragsters aim for =
gas-powered records


Hello to All,

Well, two articles out in the same day...one 'OK' one (Portland =
Tribune)=20
and this one (AP), a stinker in my opinion. The entire tone of Aaron=20
Clark's article is quite negative and seems to focus on electrics not=20
measuring up:

>...they still have a ways to go before matching professional world=20
record times. The fastest >quarter-mile time by an electric vehicle is =

the KillaCycle's 8.16 seconds - that's 2.36 seconds off the=20
>nitromethane world record for drag bikes

Geesh! The A123 lithium batteries are still in their infancy, there's =
no=20
big name sponsor 'money', the bike is a backyard-built affair, it's=20
still being tweaked and developed, and yet, within a year of its build =

it's knocking on nitromethane's door? - and this still isn't good =
enough=20
to impress?

Here's one that really got to me:

>.....electric vehicles have even more catching up to do. White=20
Zombie's best time in a quarter-mile is >11.46 seconds - still 6.4=20
seconds away from the Top Fuel record.

Who in their right mind, compares a street legal import sedan that is=20
driven to and from the track (not trailered), to and from the grocery=20
store, to and from car shows ... and runs low 11s, to a full blown top =

fuel funny car? I don't know about everybody else, but it's been a =
while=20
since I saw my neighbor drive his top fuel funny car dragster to =
Safeway=20
:) I could see this statement having merit if White Zombie's mission=20
was to beat a top fuel pure racing machine (a thinking person would =
use=20
a similar funny car chassis and not a 35 year old economy sedan), but=20
come on...it's a small economy car! Most people think a fully street=20
legal electric car turning 11s is notable. Oh well :-(

On the other hand, maybe I should be happy that my little 'ol electric =

Datsun is actually being mentioned in the same sentence as a top fuel=20
funny car dragster and that he 'did say' that a street legal EV can =
beat=20
a Z06 Vette :)

More negativity from Aaron:

>Not everyone in the gas-powered crowd is convinced electric vehicles =

are the next big thing.

And here's more negativity he found to include in his story :

>=93I certainly don't see them challenging for professional records =
in=20
the near future,=94 said Graham >Light, at the NHRA. =93at this point =
I=20
don't see a strong movement toward electric cars.=94

Mark this down as a quote....Mr. Grahm will someday eat his words.

Yeah, after all the time I spent talking with Aaron both on the phone=20
and in person, I am VERY disappointed in his story. What's really bad, =

is that this is an AP story, so it's been distributed around the =
world!

This one stings. Oh well, I guess we need to stay thick-skinned and =
take=20
the good with the bad!
I am now looking ahead to John Fialka's Wall Street Journal story, one =
I=20
am absolutely certain will be upbeat.

See Ya.....John Wayland
 

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Hey John, Rod

First off, I've only been at this just two short years
and know you two have at least 10 times that on me.
Having "not" been there all those years, I can only
imagine (and read about) what it took to make what is
happening "now" come to fruit. I'd also imagine that
anything hinting at negativity is disappointing and
frustrating 8^(

Honestly though I didn't read this article as being as
bad as you two felt it was. It didn't "phase" me at
all that they wrote that ICE's are still much faster
than electrics! I mean come on, most people haven't
EVen got a clue Electric cars exist let alone race!
Being able to knock the snot out of a V06 Corvette
isn't a small feat and EVen your average smuck knows
that 8^)

I guess I try to focus on the positive vs the negitive
in EVery aspect of my life and stuff like this falls
very much into that ideal. In as much as John was
able to pick out parts he felt were detrimental to the
cause I'd like to snip some that I felt were more
positive 8^)

Pollacheck crosses the quarter-mile marker doing 156
m.p.h. (251 km/h); he's
travelled 402 metres in 8.22 seconds, faster than any
of the gas-powered
cars, trucks or motorcycles that have raced in the
drag sprints on this
weekend at Portland International Raceway.

Electric vehicles are making their presence felt at
amateur drag races
across the United States, challenging gas-powered cars
and motorcycles. The
"amp heads," computer geeks and tree-hugging
environmentalists driving the
electron-powered vehicles are starting to kick some
major rear end.

(Starting to kick some major rear end is IMO a pretty
positive statement!)

Pollacheck and his bike - dubbed the KillaCycle - are
part of a growing
movement that's exploiting breakthroughs in battery
technology and could
soon challenge the world's fastest-accelerating
vehicles in the $1-billion
drag-racing industry.

(here it is... "us" no budget hacks vs a billion
dollar industry! Would anyone but a moron expect us
to be on top right now?!)

But electric vehicle racers say people like Light are
out of the loop. They
say rapid advances in battery technology will give EVs
a shot at drag-racing
records.

(Here the author states a gas racers opinion, but also
counters it with how an EV guys sees the future!)
(I'm sorry but I see that as him doing his homework
and offering up both sides of the coin so to speak, he
is simply writing what both sides have to say)

"This is a disruptive technology and there is a lot of
room for improvement
in this area," said Ric Fulop, founder and vice
president of business
development for A123, the maker of KillaCycle's
batteries. In December, the KillaCycle will receive a
second-generation battery pack
that will have twice as much juice as its current
374-volt system, giving it
close to 1,000 horsepower. Fulop said he believes the
KillaCycle can break
the drag racing motorcycle record within the next
year.

(again he puts in that we're just getting started!)

Anyway, bottom line is we aren't as fast as the ICE's
yet. That (to me) isn't very negitive at all, it's
common knowlege. I just had to chime in as it seems
you didn't pay any attention to things that I felt
were positive and wanted to choose a few things you
didn't paste 8^P

I guess it's all in how you see things 8^)

Just my two positive pennies worth 8^o
Cya
Jim Husted
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John,
This guy has never built a thing let alone a race car.
He is one of those reporters who state "the Facts"
with out understanding them. forget him and just keep
up the good work. You have done more to publicize that
electric vehicles can be fast than anyone.
kEVs
--- FRED JEANETTE MERTENS <[email protected]>
wrote:

> john call up the writer and ask for a chance to
> rebut his neg remarks in an op ed piece . maybe his
> editor will give you a shot if you can ( I believe
> you can ) show the inconsistencies and the unfair
> comparisons .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Wayland<mailto:[email protected]>
> To:
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: With barely a sound, electric
> dragsters aim for gas-powered records
>
>
> Hello to All,
>
> Well, two articles out in the same day...one 'OK'
> one (Portland Tribune)
> and this one (AP), a stinker in my opinion. The
> entire tone of Aaron
> Clark's article is quite negative and seems to
> focus on electrics not
> measuring up:
>
> >...they still have a ways to go before matching
> professional world
> record times. The fastest >quarter-mile time by an
> electric vehicle is
> the KillaCycle's 8.16 seconds - that's 2.36
> seconds off the
> >nitromethane world record for drag bikes
>
> Geesh! The A123 lithium batteries are still in
> their infancy, there's no
> big name sponsor 'money', the bike is a
> backyard-built affair, it's
> still being tweaked and developed, and yet, within
> a year of its build
> it's knocking on nitromethane's door? - and this
> still isn't good enough
> to impress?
>
> Here's one that really got to me:
>
> >.....electric vehicles have even more catching
> up to do. White
> Zombie's best time in a quarter-mile is >11.46
> seconds - still 6.4
> seconds away from the Top Fuel record.
>
> Who in their right mind, compares a street legal
> import sedan that is
> driven to and from the track (not trailered), to
> and from the grocery
> store, to and from car shows ... and runs low 11s,
> to a full blown top
> fuel funny car? I don't know about everybody else,
> but it's been a while
> since I saw my neighbor drive his top fuel funny
> car dragster to Safeway
> :) I could see this statement having merit if
> White Zombie's mission
> was to beat a top fuel pure racing machine (a
> thinking person would use
> a similar funny car chassis and not a 35 year old
> economy sedan), but
> come on...it's a small economy car! Most people
> think a fully street
> legal electric car turning 11s is notable. Oh well
> :-(
>
> On the other hand, maybe I should be happy that my
> little 'ol electric
> Datsun is actually being mentioned in the same
> sentence as a top fuel
> funny car dragster and that he 'did say' that a
> street legal EV can beat
> a Z06 Vette :)
>
> More negativity from Aaron:
>
> >Not everyone in the gas-powered crowd is
> convinced electric vehicles
> are the next big thing.
>
> And here's more negativity he found to include in
> his story :
>
> >“I certainly don't see them challenging for
> professional records in
> the near future,” said Graham >Light, at the NHRA.
> “at this point I
> don't see a strong movement toward electric cars.”
>
> Mark this down as a quote....Mr. Grahm will
> someday eat his words.
>
> Yeah, after all the time I spent talking with
> Aaron both on the phone
> and in person, I am VERY disappointed in his
> story. What's really bad,
> is that this is an AP story, so it's been
> distributed around the world!
>
> This one stings. Oh well, I guess we need to stay
> thick-skinned and take
> the good with the bad!
> I am now looking ahead to John Fialka's Wall
> Street Journal story, one I
> am absolutely certain will be upbeat.
>
> See Ya.....John Wayland
>
>
>
>




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In a message dated 7/29/2007 7:27:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

Anyway, bottom line is we aren't as fast as the ICE's
yet. That (to me) isn't very negitive at all, it's
common knowlege. I just had to chime in as it seems
you didn't pay any attention to things that I felt
were positive and wanted to choose a few things you
didn't paste 8^P

I guess it's all in how you see things 8^)

Just my two positive pennies worth 8^o
Cya
Jim Husted
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Jim, thanks for this post, some of the "electric people" get carried away
with themselves and don't really know what's going on in the "real" world of
drag racing. Yes the electrics are coming on strong but have a long tough road
ahead of them.
It's nice to see there are guys out there still pushing the E.T. barrier but
it the last few tenths of a second that is the most difficult, look at Killa
Cycle's last time out, after a lot of hard work they didn't go as quick as
they did in Phoenix. Drag Racing records are not easy, it's a lot of
dedication and hard work to get there.

Jim L
(The old electric dragster guy. 9.44 seconds @ 135 mph) and that was seven
years ago next month.



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Yep, I saw those comments also, Jim, and I thought that it was pretty
balanced. His comparisions, however, were not apples to apples, as John
mentioned.

Joseph H. Strubhar

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Husted" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: With barely a sound, electric dragsters aim for gas-powered
records


> Hey John, Rod
>
> First off, I've only been at this just two short years
> and know you two have at least 10 times that on me.
> Having "not" been there all those years, I can only
> imagine (and read about) what it took to make what is
> happening "now" come to fruit. I'd also imagine that
> anything hinting at negativity is disappointing and
> frustrating 8^(
>
> Honestly though I didn't read this article as being as
> bad as you two felt it was. It didn't "phase" me at
> all that they wrote that ICE's are still much faster
> than electrics! I mean come on, most people haven't
> EVen got a clue Electric cars exist let alone race!
> Being able to knock the snot out of a V06 Corvette
> isn't a small feat and EVen your average smuck knows
> that 8^)
>
> I guess I try to focus on the positive vs the negitive
> in EVery aspect of my life and stuff like this falls
> very much into that ideal. In as much as John was
> able to pick out parts he felt were detrimental to the
> cause I'd like to snip some that I felt were more
> positive 8^)
>
> Pollacheck crosses the quarter-mile marker doing 156
> m.p.h. (251 km/h); he's
> travelled 402 metres in 8.22 seconds, faster than any
> of the gas-powered
> cars, trucks or motorcycles that have raced in the
> drag sprints on this
> weekend at Portland International Raceway.
>
> Electric vehicles are making their presence felt at
> amateur drag races
> across the United States, challenging gas-powered cars
> and motorcycles. The
> "amp heads," computer geeks and tree-hugging
> environmentalists driving the
> electron-powered vehicles are starting to kick some
> major rear end.
>
> (Starting to kick some major rear end is IMO a pretty
> positive statement!)
>
> Pollacheck and his bike - dubbed the KillaCycle - are
> part of a growing
> movement that's exploiting breakthroughs in battery
> technology and could
> soon challenge the world's fastest-accelerating
> vehicles in the $1-billion
> drag-racing industry.
>
> (here it is... "us" no budget hacks vs a billion
> dollar industry! Would anyone but a moron expect us
> to be on top right now?!)
>
> But electric vehicle racers say people like Light are
> out of the loop. They
> say rapid advances in battery technology will give EVs
> a shot at drag-racing
> records.
>
> (Here the author states a gas racers opinion, but also
> counters it with how an EV guys sees the future!)
> (I'm sorry but I see that as him doing his homework
> and offering up both sides of the coin so to speak, he
> is simply writing what both sides have to say)
>
> "This is a disruptive technology and there is a lot of
> room for improvement
> in this area," said Ric Fulop, founder and vice
> president of business
> development for A123, the maker of KillaCycle's
> batteries. In December, the KillaCycle will receive a
> second-generation battery pack
> that will have twice as much juice as its current
> 374-volt system, giving it
> close to 1,000 horsepower. Fulop said he believes the
> KillaCycle can break
> the drag racing motorcycle record within the next
> year.
>
> (again he puts in that we're just getting started!)
>
> Anyway, bottom line is we aren't as fast as the ICE's
> yet. That (to me) isn't very negitive at all, it's
> common knowlege. I just had to chime in as it seems
> you didn't pay any attention to things that I felt
> were positive and wanted to choose a few things you
> didn't paste 8^P
>
> I guess it's all in how you see things 8^)
>
> Just my two positive pennies worth 8^o
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
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I just love that the head of the NHRA isn't "concerned" about EV's coming to
take his precious records away. In a year or two he's in for a rude
awakening when he reads the morning paper and the headline is that a street
legal electric car is the fastest thing on wheels.

I've never had a reason to post directly to the EV racers but I'll say now-
Please keep doing what you're doing. I think one thing that may help push
EV's into the mainstream is the public humiliation of ICE powered vehicles
in races. It'll make people really think.

Not only do I see EV's growing in daily use, I envision EV "sleeper" street
races where ordinary looking cars race from red light to red light. Not safe
or legal and I don't condone it but just imagine it...people building
"hotrods" that don't look like hotrods because there's no need for turbos,
superchargers, velocity stacks or fat exhaust...these cars will make no
noise and the police won't have any cause to pull them over until it's too
late.

Can you imagine this?

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Hello to All,

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Yet another truncated post! Fortunately, thanks to a link someone gave
the other day, I was able to go dig his post up and actually read it.
Here's part of it:

>some of the "electric people" get carried away
>with themselves and don't really know what's going on in the "real" world of
>drag racing.


Yes, and 'some' of us electric people aren't carried away with themselves and 'do'
know what's going on in the "real" world of drag racing. I am well aware of where
fuel type drag machines are, and that's exactly why I responded the way I did.

More from Jim:

>(The old electric dragster guy. 9.44 seconds <at> 135 mph) and that was seven
>years ago next month.


If you examine the machine Jim Ludicker had, you can see why Jim is saying what he is, because
in Jim's context, Aaron Clark's comments would have made sense. If you take my street car out
of the equation and replace it (and it's 11 second ET) with Jim's electric rail (rails and funny cars are pretty
much the same machines, as a funny car is merely a caricature of a car, a 60 lb. thin shell that pops
on and off a rail dragster...think an RC car who's egg shell thin body comes off the chassis with two or four
quick release pins), you are then comparing apples to apples. Aaron's comment would then read this way:


>electric vehicles have even more catching up to do. The electric rail dragster Circuit Breaker's best time
>in a quarter-mile is 9.44 seconds - still 4.4 seconds away from the Top Fuel record.


If the above had been the statement, I would have had no problem with it, because it's
a fair comparison...rail to rail.

Actually knowing what it takes to make a street car run low 11s on street legal tires, and
actually knowing what a caricature of a car a funny car is (a flimsy wavy thin plastic
shell that hinges over what is essentially a full blown rail dragster chassis fitted
with thousands of hp) is why the author's absolutely stupid remarks got my blood
boiling! Comparing a street sedan to a funny car, is like comparing a two man
strap-it-to-the-roof of your SUV paddle type fishing boat to an aircraft carrier!
The comparison is absurd and to those unfamiliar with top fuel machines, very
misleading. All many readers will come away with, is that a record holding electric
car is way slower than a gas powered car...and that will be it.

The real fact right now, is that when we show up with our electric car at the local drag strip,
we out-power most of the gas cars we race against...cars that 'are' comparable. Many of the cars we
race and beat, come in on a trailer, too! If I had built
an electric funny car then campaigned directly with top fuel funny cars, Mr. Clark's comments would be right
on. As it stands, his comments are reckless and as I said, misleading.


>It's nice to see there are guys out there still pushing the E.T. barrier but
>it the last few tenths of a second that is the most difficult, look at Killa
>Cycle's last time out, after a lot of hard work they didn't go as quick as
>they did in Phoenix.

No one understands about those last tenths of seconds better than me. We fought more than two
years to knock off two tenths to get into the 11s.

>Drag Racing records are not easy, it's a lot of dedication and hard work to get there.

On this, we agree!

See Ya....John Wayland
 

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In a message dated 7/29/2007 9:43:05 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
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> e: With barely a sound, electric dragsters aim for gas-powered records
> Date:7/29/2007 9:43:05 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[email protected]
> Reply-to:[email protected]
> To:[email protected]
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
> I just love that the head of the NHRA isn't "concerned" about EV's coming to
>
> take his precious records away. In a year or two he's in for a rude
> awakening when he reads the morning paper and the headline is that a street
> legal electric car is the fastest thing on wheels.
> **I have been racing electrics on the nhra dragstrip since1991 and have had
> the quickest ev et.at the end of every year since.Electrics race under nhra
> rules 1st and nedra 2nd.Nhra had enough vision to let electrics race on their
> tracks knowing that someday electrics will be another viable menue for racing
> and street driving.Now as far as 4.4 second qt.mi.runs at 335mph electrics
> as I see them have YEARS to catch up.I could with proper funding build a hi 5
> second dragster but to drop to the low 4s (7000hp)it will be a while.
> NEDRA if you plan to go 4s soon you
> need to get the NHRA 7.5 second cap lifted that will take a while in itself.I
> would guess the next nhra limit would be 6.0sec/qt.mi. Nhra is a business that
> sells speed fire and noise it would be hard to fill the stands at a national
> event without the crackel and pop and fire(and a recording would not help)
> espn2 will be showing the nationals from somona ca.today at 6pm. As an example
> a 7000hp top fuel dragster weighs about 2400lbs a 5000hp electric dragster
> with the 123 batteries avaible today would weigh at least 4500lbs(2500 in
> batteries) Dennis Berube
> I've never had a reason to post directly to the EV racers but I'll say now-
> Please keep doing what you're doing. I think one thing that may help push
> EV's into the mainstream is the public humiliation of ICE powered vehicles
> in races. It'll make people really think.
>
> Not only do I see EV's growing in daily use, I envision EV "sleeper" street
> races where ordinary looking cars race from red light to red light. Not safe
>
> or legal and I don't condone it but just imagine it...people building
> "hotrods" that don't look like hotrods because there's no need for turbos,
> superchargers, velocity stacks or fat exhaust...these cars will make no
> noise and the police won't have any cause to pull them over until it's too
> late.
>
> Can you imagine this?
 

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In a message dated 7/29/2007 10:16:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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If you examine the machine Jim Ludicker had, you can see why Jim is saying
what he is, because
in Jim's context, Aaron Clark's comments would have made sense. If you take
my street car out
of the equation and replace it (and it's 11 second ET) with Jim's electric
rail (rails and funny cars are pretty
much the same machines, as a funny car is merely a caricature of a car, a 60
lb. thin shell that pops
on and off a rail dragster...think an RC car who's egg shell thin body comes
off the chassis with two or four
quick release pins), you are then comparing apples to apples. Aaron's
comment would then read this way:





First of all let me be clear here, I think Bill D, John W, and Shawn L are
all doing a great job with their drag vehicles but if you want to compare
electric drag vehicles to gas drag vehicles try this............a light weight
import, gutted,lightened,filled with batteries and shish kabob electric motors
(two motors on a stick unroasted hopefully) that has limited range. VS a
"street heavy" radio, heater, air cond, seats for four also an import and with
a little tweaking, chip, turbo, trash can exhaust and all real glass windows.
What do you think...............11.40 ET in the quarter mile for the
electric import, pretty good.
And the other pump gas burning smog causing import that will run low 10 and
high 9 sec in the quarter mile will be about 10 to 15 car lengths ahead at
the end of the quarter mile (you do the math) and then put 3 people in the car
and drive to Vegas in comfort for lunch, I know, those sob's drive by my
house every day, with their foot in it..........Those are apples VS apples.

Yes I did have an electric dragster that ran 9.44 ET @ 144mph with lead acid
batteries seven years ago just think if I had the batteries you guys are
using now, about twice the horse power and one third less weight, can you say 6
seconds at 250 mph..............talk is cheap, bring it to the race track.

Jim Ludiker............third quickest electric drag vehicle in the world.




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